tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13875985.post2441678542899320713..comments2023-09-08T08:38:00.267-04:00Comments on KroydBlog: The PayoffJay Ackroyd (@jayackroyd)http://www.blogger.com/profile/17270262597090808369noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13875985.post-8472132353596872962008-09-10T15:19:00.000-04:002008-09-10T15:19:00.000-04:00TaiC, As I said in the Swamp, I'm afraid the debat...TaiC, As I said in the Swamp, I'm afraid the debates will show McCain as the one with the snappy one liners (on topic or not) and Obama as the uh-uh, well thoughtful responder. Obama is a little better than he was with that, but still not great. Style over substance and that's the way the media reaction will play.<BR/><BR/>I think it was Atrios who said in regard to the primaries that there is the debate and then there is the talk about the debate.ivbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01447238989937647009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13875985.post-40994794913964847202008-09-10T14:02:00.000-04:002008-09-10T14:02:00.000-04:00Your point about McCain being an awful candidate i...Your point about McCain being an awful candidate is of course correct, and one hopes the debates will give everyone a chance to see that.<BR/><BR/>But then that nagging fear comes in, will the media cocoon him coming in and out of the debate, will we have Charlie Gibson asking softballs etc., so we'll have no real chance to make that judgment?Todd and in Chargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10319113560351546412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13875985.post-7039885886489931422008-09-10T13:02:00.000-04:002008-09-10T13:02:00.000-04:00If We the People are falling for this "used car sa...If We the People are falling for this "used car salesman" type pitch, then we deserve the POS lemon we buy.<BR/><BR/>I think the "success" of this strategy says more about the stupidity of the general populace than it does about the Repugs. I mean, they're just taking an approach that seems to work, because the victims are too stupid to see behind the lies. Can't blame them for trying to be successful.Mr. Nice Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12282798152254809538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13875985.post-33168281290519115782008-09-10T12:23:00.000-04:002008-09-10T12:23:00.000-04:00Let me put it differently, ivb. One source of my c...Let me put it differently, ivb. <BR/><BR/>One source of my confidence has been my conviction that McCain is a terrible candidate. Incoherent. Ignorant--remarkably ignorant, given his ambition. (There are senators as ignorant, but they don't run for president.) Unable to stay on message.<BR/><BR/>But if they can keep both of them in controlled situations (and a debate is a controlled situation), and fill the teevee with this claptrap, well then we're talking crapshoot. Because there will be no differentiation between the two candidates.<BR/><BR/>The republican goal is to have voters have two things in their heads:<BR/><BR/>1) All politicians are the same <BR/>2) Except that republicans cut your taxes and democrats raise themJay Ackroyd (@jayackroyd)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17270262597090808369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13875985.post-61067849326047513502008-09-10T12:16:00.000-04:002008-09-10T12:16:00.000-04:00ivbI'm becoming concerned that these straight up l...ivb<BR/><BR/>I'm becoming concerned that these straight up lies are going to muddle things enough that voters will just get confused. That's clearly part of the plan. I haven't looked at 538 yet today.Jay Ackroyd (@jayackroyd)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17270262597090808369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13875985.post-74840863739180075762008-09-10T12:14:00.000-04:002008-09-10T12:14:00.000-04:00No stuart, the suckers were the reporters and pund...No stuart, the suckers were the reporters and pundits who thought that McCain was showing his true self when he spoke nobly about the nation and honor. Alternatively, the ones who thought that he was one of them, when he sniggered at the process, and the voters.<BR/><BR/>As we have been saying for some time, McCain was using these reporters.Jay Ackroyd (@jayackroyd)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17270262597090808369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13875985.post-65037723054869372262008-09-10T11:42:00.000-04:002008-09-10T11:42:00.000-04:00Jay, you've been telling us to be calm for a long ...Jay, you've been telling us to be calm for a long time and I've mostly calmed down and Nate Silver's site has helped a lot with that. However, I see today the popular vote is back to even and that was before all this faux outrage about the pig.ivbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01447238989937647009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13875985.post-36132345834957178822008-09-10T11:41:00.000-04:002008-09-10T11:41:00.000-04:00SuckersWho --us Americans?<I>Suckers</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Who --us Americans?stuart_zechmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14817215761981204304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13875985.post-4077083834323519372008-09-10T11:07:00.000-04:002008-09-10T11:07:00.000-04:00Agreed. Let's hope (pray) that same measured appr...Agreed. Let's hope (pray) that same measured approach that won him the primary works in the general.Todd and in Chargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10319113560351546412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13875985.post-81709791689202287572008-09-10T10:51:00.000-04:002008-09-10T10:51:00.000-04:00Indeed. Depressed is the word. We're betting the ...Indeed. Depressed is the word. We're betting the country on Obama's ground game.Jay Ackroyd (@jayackroyd)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17270262597090808369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13875985.post-60652529032648474352008-09-10T10:41:00.000-04:002008-09-10T10:41:00.000-04:00Good stuff, but I feel like Glenn does today -- do...Good stuff, but I feel like Glenn does today -- downright depressed. Is this 2000 all over again? How is it -- with all the blogs, fact checks, and new technologies -- that we cannot change or even put a dent in this insane media narrative?Todd and in Chargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10319113560351546412noreply@blogger.com